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Former cia interrogator helped capture the first big al qaeda leader in 2002. that's eight years ago. he talked about the torture in a 2007 interview with abc's brian ross. let me recount it to you. brian ross quote, so if your view waterboarding broke him? and john, i think it did, yes. and ross, did it make a difference in terms of kuriakou? no doubt about that. in those words, people who support the use of torture found their validation. former cia interrogator, john kiriakou, says it's not that black and white. john, thank you. how long were you in the cia? >> almost 15 years. >> undercove...

Welcome back to "hardball." former c.i.a. interrogator helped capture the first big al qaeda leader in 2002 eight years ago, he talked about the capture and subsequent torture in a 2007 interview with abc's brian ross. let me recount it to you. brian ross quote, so if your view waterboarding broke him? and john, i think it did, yes. and ross, did it make a difference of. >> it did the threat of information that he provided may have disrupted a number of attacks. those words, people who support the use of torture found their validation. but former c.i.a. interrogator, john kiriakou, said it's n...

Welcome back to "hardball." former cia interrogator helped capture the first big al qaeda zubaydah in 2002. that's eight years ago. he talked about the torture in a 2007 interview with abc's brian ross. let me recount it to you. brian ross quote, so if your view waterboarding broke him? and john, i think it did, yes. and ross, did it make a difference in terms of kuriakou? no doubt about that. in those words, people who support the use of torture found their validation. former via interrogator says it's not that black and white. john, thank you. how long were you in the cia? >> almost 15 years...