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Very staged statement out of the white house last night from the president where he really tried to sort of take a more measured tone. nothing measured about this response. this is donald trump the combatant who now feels like he is in the fight for his political life. >> we know the president watches this show. we appreciate the viewer ship. he doesn't want to talk to us and come on the show. but it is a moment to talk to him. you know, the question of whether or not you deserve criticism is answered in these two tweets. this is another round of self-inflicted negativity. the special counsel ...

Shift in the way president trump has been talking about russia and dealing with russia since he's taken office, no doubt. and i am sure that that will continue to be on display today in the lab rov meeting. but today of all days to have that meeting, it is certainly iron ironic. >> the foreign minister of russia laughing, mocking the idea of what happened with james comey as the u.s. secretary of state sits mum is powerful, as well as ironic. the president watching us this morning as always. we appreciate the viewer ship. he says the roger stone report on cnn is false. he hasn't talked to ston...

>> let's start with you, why now? >> well, clearly the public pressure on fox news had reached a certain point and key point of this also is not only an outside investigation by the same law firm brought in to investigate roger ales, they are going to disclose the investigation tomoow at the bod meeting but also you have to consider the advertiser pressure, they might get high ratings but without advertisers, it's empty calories and can't make money for the network. >> the viewer ship was certainly up, did fox news not have a hope they would be able to ride this out? >> they didn't have any ho...

But i say for example that this network has the highest ratings of any other cable news network. there's this narrative that it's the mean stream media that is super democrat -- >> stuart: so does the fox business network which i'm proud to be a member of that network. >> i think that's a right-leaning network. it has a ton of viewer ship. so to say this is a problem with the mainstream media, this particular note work tends to left further right and it is a mainstream network. so we need to examine what we talk about when we talk about the media -- >> stuart: you're going to examine me? shelb...

>> when ronler ales would get up and say i have a five-year plan to knock off cnn, i thought he was drinking kool-aid. >> i do believe that over time fox has become a really powerful news operation. >> cnn had a 16-year head start. but in five and a half years fox news was number one in viewer ship. today fox news has an average of 1.77 million viewers in primetime. cnn has 577,000. fox more than doubles cnn and msnbc in primetime. >> you came from cnn. what struck you? >> when i was at cnn we had a large staff. we had between 60, 65 people. >> we have a super large staff. >> we have like 12. ...