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These debates with look like, democratic national committee chair tom perez. we didn't know how it would go. give yourself a grade in how you and the dnc managed this process. >> well, i'm excited that so many people watched it. i was really excited to see those viewership numbers. my goal, chris, was to make sure that everybody got a fair shake to communicate their vision, and that we didn't talk about hand size. we talked about health care and climate change and how we build an economy that works for everyone, not just a few at the top. i think we did a good job in having that. we saw disagr...

People shot in their neighborhood just last week. someone i knew, shah had smith was killed with an assault rifle at the top of my block last year. for millions of americans, this is not a policy issue. this is an urgency. >> i am in this fight because i believe that we can make our government, we can make our economy, we can make our country work, not just for those at the top, we can make it work for everyone. and i promise you this. i will fight for you as hard as i fight for my own families. >> on january 20th, 2021, we'll saad adios to donald trump. >> i'm joined now by the person most re...

Rights act and the civil rights act. that's why we need to pass the equality act. that's why we need to pass the era. >> i supported the era from the very beginning. i'm the guy who extended the voting rights act for 25 years. we got to the place where we got 98 out of 98 votes in the united states senate doing it. >> i'm joined now by the person who is most responsible -- more responsible than anyone for deciding what these debates would look like and what they'll look like going forward, democratic national committee chair tom perez. we didn't know how it would go. give yourself a grade in h...

Make america great generallies since 2013. 31 of those happened after the 2016 election. if you watch enough of these, you realize how much the spectacle stays the same. katie rogers has been to more than her fair share of these. quote, no matter where they're held, the rallies follow a formula. just add maga. the thing is, that maga magic seems to be wearing off. as the president has ramped up his rally schedule, viewership numbers have been roughly similar to sometimes dipping below fox news's regular programming. fewer people were tuning into those rallies, so fox stopped airing them and th...

>> we'll have to see how it unfolds. a lot of the owners, seven of which, donated a million dollars to president trump's campaign. they sided with him on the anthem protest. so there's a division over that issue alone. i think the very least these owners are starting to look outwards of goodell in terms of what their options may be. they have received a ton of scrutiny again -- >> neil: but do you get a sense that -- i was getting to that, too, given the game and the controversy over the flag and the national anthem. but it might have to wait until 2024 or whatever this would -- or is that too...