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What i do like in terms of reform what texas and mississippi have done in terms of education and training of nonviolent offenders and also trying to -- >> i don't object to those services being offered. >> better treatment for victims. a lot has to do with the drugs. >> a lot. you have to want to get off the drugs and many people don't. we have a difference of opinion between crowley and powers on what led to this dramatic violent crime drop. i come down on monica's side and say there are only selected very bad people who hurt other people. 10% of the population. you isolate them. take them of...

Reform what texas and mississippi have done in terms of education and training of nonviolent offenders and also trying to -- >> i don't object to those services being offered. >> better treatment for victims. a lot has to do with the drugs. >> a lot. you have to want to get off the drugs and many people don't. we have a difference of opinion between crowley and powers on what led to this dramatic violent crime drop. i come down on monica's side and say there are only selected very bad people who hurt other people. 10% of the population. you isolate them. take them off the streets and the crime...

By your own free will, you are doing it. and i have no sympathy for these people on a mass level. one by one, no problem. not busting them all down. last word? >> i saw the same things that you see in new york city because i grew up there. i saw junkies on the subway. so i know what that is like. the important point though is not to be blinded by those images. we have to decide what is the best policy. if the best policy is to soften the laws so that you you open up bed spaces for people who do belong there, then that's a policy worth pursuing. >> well, i think the violent crime drop in this c...