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You want to hire people cheaply. stop lecturing me about rosa parks, right? >> you know, first of all, i don't go out. i have never used h-1 b visa to go and bring somebody n my 150 plus companies. i want to get that on the table. as far as microsoft and facebook and some others, i don't think they are using outsourced labor, which again, is what is driving down the pricing and what is causing jobs and where you are seeing the examples of people having to train their replacements. i think for the most part they pay premiums. and the studies i have seen facebook and google, et cetera, when they...

Hoarding, the problem that you have and i agree with you here. we are on the same page here. if you get rid of visa hoarding that problem disappears. if you change the lottery so that it's based on the job. it's based on a meritocracy that problem disappears. i really agree that there is a necessity for changes in h 1 b but getting rid of the hoarding will solve that problem. >> tucker: why has nobody done this? i don't want to get too political with you. i know you are not a political guy. gee-whiz we just had 8 years of the messiah who cared about ordinary americans. this is a problem. you a...

India. you want to hire people cheaply. stop lecturing me about rosa parks, right? >> you know, first of all, i don't go out. i have never used h-1 b visa to go and bring somebody n my 150 plus companies. i want to get that on the table. as far as microsoft and facebook and some others, i don't think they are using outsourced labor, which, again, is what is driving down the pricing and what is causing jobs and where you are seeing the examples of people having to train their replacements. i think for the most part they pay premiums. and the studies i have seen facebook and google, et cetera, w...

People going on disability when they shouldn't is an issue. don't attach it to the h 1 b visa issue. >> tucker: i'm not attacking anyone for being disabled. you're missing the point. what i'm merely say something we have a huge unemployment problem in america. that also extends to people who graduate from college, 41% who say they are under employed. we have a massive labor pool educated in our system and, yet, they are being turned away in favor of people being educated abroad. that does not help america in any way. >> well, again, part of what's going to change is the visa hoarding. i can't ...

People going on disability when they shouldn't is an issue. don't attach it to the h 1 b visa issue. >> tucker: i'm not attacking anyone for being disabled. you're missing the point. what i'm merely say something we have a huge unemployment problem in america. that also extends to people who graduate from college, 41% who say they are under employed. we have a massive labor pool educated in our system and, yet, they are being turned away in favor of people being educated abroad. that does not help america in any way. >> well, again, part of what's going to change is the visa hoarding. i can't ...