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Let us remember that the united states did deport a large number of gang members, for example, back to el salvador. what did we think was going to happen? a lot of it has to do with our lemone policies. we have given these nations money. those moneys have not gone to what they were supposed to have gone to, so the people feel hopeless. is one more thing to add to that, the backlog, current backlog in immigration. if you're a parent and got here and was able to fix your immigration situation and petitioned for your wife or child back in 1997 maybe. if you look at the visa process right now, the...

We've given these nations money. those monies have not gone to what they were supposed to have gone to, so people feel hopeless, and then there's one other thing that i want to add to that, and that is the backlog, the current backlog on immigration. if you're a parent that maybe got here, was able to fix your immigration situation and you petitioned for your wife or your child, that was back in 1997 maybe, and if you look at the visa process right now, they might not -- they still may be in 1992. so people get desperate, and they become impatient, and so they make this treacherous -- >> they ...

Whatever we do here, and i'm not sure there's an easy solution. we need to ensure the children's safety. this situation just simply reflects what happens when we don't have an immigration policy that takes into account all aspects of immigration policy so that when you legalize certain children but don't deal with border security, when you don't deal with revising the visa process, when you don't deal with employer sanctions, don't deal with the 12 men already here, you're going to have unintended consequences and for that reason that i and many others in the country still firmly believe we ne...

Go name dropping, anyway, i had him on and he said, i'm open to going ahead and reviewing our visa process for college students and that's a -- you know that's a whole nother 500 pages right there. i think all well and good. and then protecting the irish coming in here, meat packers, everything else, ski instructors, whatever is going on there in your life is your business. i'm just saying it's now getting cumbersome and wielding and now getting to be like the health care law on steroids. >> i don't believe it's unwielding to the point it couldn't pass in bipartisan -- >> neil: no doubt it wou...

It's like making sausages, it's not something you want to see up close and personal. >> neil: is this a slap at my people? >> no, not at all. [ laughter ] i probably eat a lot more sausage than you do. it's very -- with all due respect, why not let in these people we need? why not let in more ski instructors? i'm not sure why dagen wants more swiss ski instructors. as far as i know she's a happily married woman. >> neil: as far as we know. >> but i don't understand what the problem is, let in more meat cutters. almost all of us like meat. we all love the irish. who doesn't? >> neil: i don't me...