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put to rest months ago. it began over the weekend in "parade" magazine. here is the part of the interview that got people talking. when asked, governor, do you believe that president barack obama was born in the united states? governor perry says, quote, i have no reason to think otherwise. the interviewer points out that's not a definitive yes, the governor says, well, i don't have a definitive answer because he's never seen my birth certificate. the interviewer points out this is an odd answer, but you -- you've seen his. which governor perry reports, i don't know. have i? you don'...

which governor perry reports, i don't know. have i? you don't believe what's been released? i don't know. i had dinner with donald trump the other night. the governor said, and i quote, i don't have any idea. it doesn't matter. he's the president of the united states. he's elected. it's a distractive issue. keeping them honest, if it's such a distractive issue to use governor perry's own words, then why bring it up? here's how he answered. >> i said it's a good issue to keep alive. donald has got to have some fun. >> it sounds like you really do have some doubt about it. >> i haven't...

Essential debate will be about this big question, what's the role of government we want in our lives? and that speaks to what government should do to create jobs and it speaks to what should be done to change our debt and reform medicare, medicaid. so the republicans will argue that maybe smaller entitlement programs, less tacks, let's government stimulus. president obama and the democrats will say, if you like government as it is, you to be prepared to pay more taxes, et cetera. so we're going to see a fundamental debate about different perspectives, philosophies about government. kind of wha...

I don't think there is any additional scrutiny that can come given through what he's gone through the last two years. but i do think what is important about today and what is very important about this speech is it really will begin that definition that is so critical to giving the american people a real choice in 2012. and i people choose between two very different, may i say, visions for the future. >> you're on message with 3 buzz word at the white house, the vision thing. >> can i work balance in? >> feel free. anita dunn, former white house communications director. thank you. >> we will be...

Then, who talks to her husband all the time, because he talks about it all the time. he feels terrible about what happened. susan rice back then assistant secretary for african affairs, very much on post at that time. take it from that end. >> the fact is rice and clinton are not natural allies. they obvious come at issue from opposite side. >> samantha hasn't been a fan of hillary at one time. she had called her a monster at one time. so this isn't a cabal. >> not at all. clinton spoke out forcefully about the n, york daily beast seminar, at that dinner, he spoke out in favor of it as gates w...