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And it was at 4:00. they called the presidential palace in egypt. they organized the schedules to figure out when. and that's when mubarak's folks basically said look, we're going to talk to the public and then we'll talk afterwards. and now, of course, we know those events. look, chris, i'm pretty confident what the president said to mubarak and what he said that he said to mubarak is one in the game on that front. i don't think he's playing games here. guess what? in the age of wikileaks when you know these can get leaked, it's a straighter conversation. i think it's a very, very transparent...

Where it's headed. thank you, chuck as always. chuck todd at the white house. our coverage of the crisis in egypt continues after this. this is "hardball" on a very difficult night. with prostate cancer... i needed a coach. our doctor was great, but with so many tough decisions i felt lost. unitedhealthcare offered us a specially trained rn who helped us weigh and understand all our options. for me cancer was as scary as a fastball is to some of these kids. but my coach had hit that pitch before. turning data into useful answers. we're 78,000 people looking out for 70 million americans. that's...

>> i want to bring out congressman meeks. u.s. interests, what are they? >> yes, well, the u.s. has a lot of ointerests here. we talk about the u.s. being one of our biggest allies along with israel. young people will have their voice. when you look throughout listry, they're discontent with what status quo and freedoms are not there. so they go to the street. that's what they're saying, president mubarak. i know a number of types i visited him in egypt or here in the united states, i said there needed to be some change. and it gets to a point where it boils over and young people are the ones ...

That time. they made change. and the young people in egypt are now saying they want change. >> do you feel like you know hosni mubarak personally enough to know who he's rooting for here? is he rooting for those young people in the street, the lower middle class who have worked over there and not gotten a break, or is he rooting for the old coalition between israel and a compliant egypt? wh's he rooting for? >> you got to think that he is somewhat rooting for the old guard. that will keep him in power. personally, i know him when he comes in, his concern has always been the brotherhood. anytim...

Basically crash down rather than implement reforms as quickly as possible. and frankly, chris, just one other thing. this government has shuffled the deck chairs of government and prime ministers time and again. don't be fooled here. just saying that he's going to replace this current government is not going to satisfy these demonstrators because most of those ministers are viewed as people who are in the back pocket of hosni mubarak. >> let's take these two points, mark, and interpret them as you can given your history over there, working the middle east and your studies over there. one, the ...