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You've got to look at the overlap of what he's saying in the oval and what he's directly saying to his base via facebook ads. i think it's really interesting that we've seen this evolution to i didn't do it to th the i d it, it's fine and normal. this is as close to a transcript as you're going to get about the president's phone call. they used to use voice recognition software to generate as close as possible to a transcript. we have it. comes close to pompeo's comments earlier of all we talked about was russia. we have the conversation now, guys. >> they just want to sometimes pretend this i...

That remains to be seen. there are some real political imp klications but to acknowled this was a tipping point and a reasonable time at which to circle the wagons and do this, i think it's the right thing. >> one of the issues that we're seeing with this transcript is voice recognition software was used. so there's this sense of it being a rough transcript. although voice recognition software can be somewhat exact. you were the press secretary in a white house. what should we read by some ellipses? >> the process is there is multiple people in the situation room who work for the nsc and the s...

Who transcribes that? what are missing in the key ellipses in the transcript and shedding light on this process a former situation room officer who managed calls like this under president obama. larry pfeiffer is with us. we have a lot of questions. you've looked at the transcript. i mention there are ellipses in key spots. we know voice recognition software is used and also recollection used by people in the situation room who are putting the transcript together. what can you tell us about what we should read into or not read into these ellipses? >> i personally would not read too much into t...

Of a company tied to his son. we should note there is not direct evidence to support this allegation that the president made in the call. now, zelensky said in response to the president bringing up biden that the next prosecutor would look into it. now, we should note that at the bottom of this log there is a disclaimer, that this is not a, quote, verbatim transcript of a discussion. it goes on to say that the text of this document records the notes and recollections of situation room duty officers and nse policy staff assigned to listen and immoralize the conversation in written form as the c...

Appreciate it. >> thank you. >> that's very interesting. let's go back to the white house right now. pamela brown is standing by. pamela, what are you learning about how the white house came up with this memo, came up with the transcript, these details that are released now? >> yes, that's one of the big questions because it is the white house releasing this transcript. so the question is how is it made, is it fulsome, does it con dane every b contain every bit of the conversation between president trump and the president of ukraine. we should note at the bottom there's a disclaimer. it says...