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Were acting at the direction of the president. is that something that you feel that you can discern from your perspective on the intelligence committee without being able to depose people like mick mulvaney, people like rick perry, people like rudy giuliani? >> it's tough, but let's look what's in the public record. you have mulvaney's admission to this whole point. you have the white house call transcript. you have the volker text. you have all this testimony here that you piece together and the bottom line is there's absolutely no way this takes place. all the things that we're learning abou...

Were acting at the direction of the president. is that something you can discern from your perspective on the intelligence committee without being able to depose people like mick mulvaney, people like rick perry, people like rudy giuliani? >> it's tough, but let's look what's in the public record. you have mulvaney's admission to this whole point. you have the white house call transcript. you have the volker text. you have all this testimony here that you piece together and the bottom line is there's absolutely no way this takes place. all the things that we're learning about, the extortion of...

He didn't follow the money and the money laundering issues. we're certainly finding that with the witnesses here because they lead us to other evidence of wrongdoing. so at some point, you put that main body there, right? the volker text. the whistle-blower's complaint. the transcript from the white house. i think the most significant arguments are already in the public's domain. >> and because the most sig think can't arguments are, what do you make of the fact that essentially the republican position has been unmoved? right? elected republicans, at least publicly, are sticking by the preside...