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Voodoo math. we don't know if some individuals are fighting for purely local reasons. there are others who came into syria for broader religious reasons, and there are others who are fighting for criminal reasons or perhaps other reasons. who actually wins the war at the end of the conflict and who determines the type of support they have over the forces and followers is going to be completely up in the air. and we'll have little control over it. we may be able to influence it, but we should not be under any illusions that we can drive it, consistent with how we want to see syria unfold in the...

Forgetting is that many of these delegates are unbound delegates, so if you voted for somebody other than mitt romney, you can still make your vote be for rick santorum if you're a delegate. and so what the romney people are using voodoo math trying to show they are inevitable, and the truth is anybody that knows the delegate count and studies it, they are having just as much trouble getting to the winning number and this has the real chance of going to a convention where the conservative will win. and frankly it should be a conservative to represent the party, we are a conservative party. >> ...

>> there was a big disagreement between senator mccain and secretary panetta about the u.s. going alone into syria. mccain made a very strong point going back to the '90s saying, look, when the atrocities were happening in bosnia, the united states acted and it's time for us to act here. he had a very pointed question to panetta saying, how many more tens of thousands have to die before you're willing to go in? but panetta countered and said, look, i'm not going to send american troops, men and women, into this situation unless i'm sure of exactly what we can accomplish there. we hea...