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They are liars. that's what their criminal record shows. so they have a very big credibility problem. there was a huge debate before they took the stand this morning where the prosecution and the defense were arguing about what would they be allowed to say. would, in fact, these inmates be allowed to say that dr. macneill referred to his wife using the "b" word. ultimately, yes, but they eliminated other things. you're talking about people who are convicted criminals. obviously, their word doesn't mean a heck of a lot. >> if you're a juror sitting in that courtroom, i would be questioning the ...

Trying to delay the individual mandate. that's the next fight. they sort of lost the fight on defunding and getting rid of obama care, but delaying the individual mandate is going to be the next big fight that republicans push into the new year, especially if they can't get these problems resolved and you see a trickle of stories continuing to come out. >> chris, i want to the give you the final question. these comments from dick durbin on facebook, who said, quote, many republicans searching for something to say in defense of the disastrous shutdown strategy will say president obama just does...