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Texas given that trump won there if they actually thought something went wrong and like they were saying in arizona, biden really didn't win? they're going to those states because they need to suppress the vote in florida and they need to sup press press the vot texas. they know that and that's why they have gone to pennsylvania and wisconsin and michigan. that's their goal here. it is no more complicated than that. the problem is and laura, as you know, anyone who is a student of history and world history, this is what the russians have been trying to do and our enemies have been trying to do...

Big lie. now, it's tempting to ignore it and believe me, we could if the lie was only relegated to say dark corners but it is manifested in an attack on the citadel of our democracy. it has proliferated. it's been codified. in fact, several republican led states including texas now have voting restrictions in place that were premised in part on the big lie. several states including ones that trump won are moving forward with more fraud-its. the big lie continues to in influence the political landscape more than a year after the 2020 election buying into the lie at least publicly seems to now b...

Reported in november. they are winning the misinformation war by keeping the questions out there and pushing for more investigations of the big lie of bogus voter fraud. the latest in texas. a state he won by the way and also in pennsylvania. all of this as the january 6th committee is already issued the first subpoenas that to trot trump aids and allies mark meadows, dan, cash patel. >> it is on the table. we've discussed it and if it comes to that, there will be no reluctance at all on the committee to do it. >> the white house also said this week that it will release information to the comm...

What happens, we either won or we should have won and the other guys are crooks and that will be replicated as you suggest again and again and again in the may book we've just seen in arizona and we'll see in texas and other places. >> in fact, ron, you're nodding your head because we've seen this playbook being followed. this is happening, by the way in district with large minority come mmunit communities. it about republicans laying the groundwork for say, 2024 or midterm elections? >> absolutely. we're facing the greatest threat to the american political order to the underlying democratic s...