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Right now it's affected perry the most. you saw it directly go from perry who jumped into the race late and didn't do well on the first three debates, move to cain in the last debate. i think if perry has a better debate tonight, gets out and does retail politics, starts running a real campaign with television and grassroots organizations then you can see some of that come back. >> we know cain needs organization. if cain calls, does ed rollins take the call? jump back in? >> ed rollins is done. thank you very much. mrs. bachmann was my last campaign and my last one should have been ronald rea...

Whole variety of things, but people are going to know who he is. equally as important, even without money and organization, he may be able to hang around for a while, even after iowa and he may be able to do what gingrich -- >> he can campaign on a suitcase. >> on a suitcase. people are going to be entertained by him but aren't going to vote for him. >> who profits from herman cain's staying in the race at this point? when you look at the romney versus perry campaign. >> romney profits. romney -- this would be the vote that perry's fighting for. it's the evangelical vote, the conservatives, th...

Actually his principle occupation when he's not running for president. he has that to go back to at a much, much higher visibility level. you can see why this guy is a successful motivational speaker. so it seems that there's much more of a, you know, the future of herman's business at stake in this campaign than the future of herman's political career. >> as i said, i bet everything i know about politics that he's not going to be the nominee. that doesn't mean he's not going to come out of this a winner. there will be a lot of losers. he'll come out of this a winner. clearly he's a guy that c...