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One side and -- >> no. it was outside groups. outside groups. on the republican side you had the grover norquist. i talked to grover that evening. he said there's a huge tax increase. $2 trillion tax increase. i said i don't think so. groups like that, club for growth, heritage action, so on and then on the left you had labor and arp and variety of others. >> congressman cooper, isn't irony here that lame duck is the only time you can do it because it's the actual furthest away from an election you can get is that sort of 60-day period between the november elections and the new congress being ...

Conflicts with the homeland security law which says you need additional proof. when you have two laws conflicts what happens? >> generally, you have two. you have a federal law and state law and issue is who has the primary issue. this is an election issue therefore state laws are the ones that should be the primary ones. we saw that in the presidential election back many years ago when you had the gore versus bush. when there was hanging chad, it was state laws that controlled it. this is what can happen in this case. frankly, look at this practically. who has having difficulty getting a non-...

That people are going to be working, not unemployed. that director kid can get a job. that your spouse can get a job. >>neil: you can put the wallet back here. >>guest: this is not much in it but i have my old congressional voting card which is the best credit card in the world. >>neil: you raise a good point that is what it comes back to. >>guest: so, when you talk about debt and spending and all of that, it is like a storm. i was telling a friend of mine this morning, there is a big storm coming and you say, that is not good but you do not worry until it is upon you, the same is true with de...

Look good, where if you just sat there, they couldn't take it away from you, you didn't have to give them anything back. if you sat there and waited long enough, you would get your chairmanship and they wouldn't make you pay for it. >> it's true. it does make seniority in ten years seem like a good idea. because also this idea of this fund-raising and you give them your wallet, you give them your voting card that again ties into this idea of the party as the ruling apparatus. that the only way to move forward is give money to get money, give votes to get ahead. and it really creates a position...

It makes it very hard for somebody who wants to get things done to get things done. lawrence, i spent today on your old stomping grounds up in the senate with my old box, max cleveland, who had his 78th birthday, chuck rob was there, a lot of these older, moderate members of the senate. in the senate, you still have a little bit of that collegiality. i remember when max was getting attacked by saxby chambliss and people like john mccain and chuck hagel were willing to come to his defense. you don't see anything like that in the house of representatives. and it's really tearing the country apar...