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Even nra members support, that the nra itself would oppose. people always assume that the reason the nra had influences they had money and they were in the politician's pockets. but it's more that politicians are afraid of the voters for whom this is their number one issue. for a long time, the intensity on this issue is with those supporters of gun rights rather than supporters of gun control. >> harris: is it shifting? >> kristen: it's shifting a little bit. there's more intensity among those who say gun control and wanting to have structured strn laws -- they were voting on other issues. th...

What has not happened are democrats turning this into the a voting issue. you saw some powerful appeals you just showed there this weekend from yang and harris and others. joe biden talking stridently about banning assault weapons. are democrats actually going to use this as a hammer to punish republicans, not just try to whip up democratic energy but to actually punish republicans who affectfively stop any attempts to reign in gun control. i think that's the tipping point we need to see. >> if you look at those polls clearly democrats have public sentiment on their side but is this something ...

Thing is going to happen over and over again. i just saw shannon watts, the woman who started calls to mom action here at nbc, and she is the woman i always thought would take -- i started a gun control group in 1999 after columbine. it did not succeed. but i thought -- >> yet. >> yet. but i thought it's going to take children being killed for something to change. and then it happened in new town. i worked for president obama then and nothing changed but moms demand action started there. now you see it becoming a voting issue. it's a voting issue in the presidential presidential primary, it wi...

Again, in all fairness to you, most people agree with you. >> most people agree with us, but this is not a problem of the public, this is a problem of politics and elected officials have to understand if they don't act and don't act quickly they're going to be thrown out of office. 2020 is around the corner. and i think that the grassroots is going to make it very clear to them that they've got a choice. it's a pretty stark choice. you can side with the nra or side with the public and keep our children safe. >> and you think this is a top voting issue for people in 2020, if there is no action?...

From last month in which surprisingly only 4% of americans consider the environment to be the most pressing issue to them. in fairness, the other issues they site are important, government, race relations and health care, but 4% seems like a worrying number for something that is an existential threat. there's no circumstance under which immigrants are an existential threat. >> certainly the number you cite emphasizes the need for us to get climate change as is happening so far in the early stages of the election, into the political debate. however, there are other polls that emphasize that, a ...