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Wisconsin and how they knew how to target better than a lot of american political operatives, i suspect that is what -- in part where the mueller investigation is going and there are certain people who haven't been central to this investigation yet who should duck. >> to use a word that the judge used, that's where elements of treason. why is it that americans might be cooperate, russians to undermine american democracy. i'd like to know that. >> and to give them voting lists, targeted voting lists. we'll see. >> so david ignatius, we're going to move from the investigation to russia. regardin...

We're looking at the same places. we're coming down again, 87% of the precincts reporting. fi gillum running up a lead here. is it possible? yes. starting to get tighter. you're starting to think are we going to get the votes? broward county, 9.5% statewide voting population. we don't know turnout. it's 9%. maybe a little more. maybe a little less. andrew gillum running up a healthy margin. the question is they're looking at the voting lists trying to figure out are there enough? if you go through the blue parts, 94. smaller county. might be more here. let's check the more republican counties ...

Doesn't have anything to do with a person's stance on abortion rights. it has to do with whether or not we're going to have a sacred democratic process. >> i agree with that, al. in fact, it was only in june that the united states supreme court upheld an ohio law on how one maintains one's voting rights, voting lists with accuracy and integrity. and the law that is being challenged in georgia has been upheld by a federal appeals court in its iteration out of florida. i want to go back to what my friend, joe, we annually do an appearance together for talke"f talkers" magazine. i said stacy abra...

That's anonymous data, no one can be tracked to an individual, where we compare voting lists to get it exactly what you just mentioned. incidents of double voting which are extremely rare but they do occasionally exist, and so we are in an ongoing cooperative effort. that's the way to do it. to do it dispassionately, non-politically, instead of this process which really to me at this point looks like it is questionable at best, reckless and harmful at worst. i don't trust it. don't take my word for it. 40 other states have said the same thing. either completely or partially. and i have real co...

>> so it's true that there's some outdated records on the voting -- in the voting lists, but that doesn't mean there's fraud. and we've had a series of investigationings remember in the bush administration, there was a very serious investigation into allegations of voter fraud. and the justice department was rebalked by the political, some of the political people when they couldn't find any. >> hugh, i'm going to shift it -- it feels like we're having this conversation because donald trump doesn't like the fact that he lost the popular vote. >> i thi that's exactly right. >> that's why we're h...