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Change and and i think we'll see him running in the general election. >> lots of talks about vice-presidential pick and some are talking about kamala harris from california being a great vp pick and she shot back, that biden would be a good vp pick for her. what do you think? >> my respect for her on the committee, she's agile and turn of phrase on her part. it's too early to talk about who is who's running mate. polls go up and down. as president trump learned in his race for the presidency, there were lots of times when certain candidates were counted in, counted out and things ultimate i wi...

President he wants to have stacey abrams as the human dangle to say, look, look, if you let me have this thing i want, you can have her as my apprentice, as my number two, or that he sees himself as a stabilizing figure but he recognizes people might be concerned with his age so he wants to have somebody waiting in the wings to be vice president. are either of those things striking you are more true and do you think this gambit might work? >> yeah, i just want to add one more thing, joy. can you imagine four years ago that we would be having this conversation? that we would be talking about st...

Doesn't necessarily need to do a gimmick. he is very out spoken. we have paid attention to him over the years. i feel like while we don't vote separately there is something in the primary where they're vetted in different ways. if he was to come out and have a vp pick with him at that time, who knows if that person will stand the test of time. it just seems out of the box and it under scores the point that they're very acutely aware of the weaknesses that he has as a candidate. but he is also questioned, you know, whether or not this type of thing, serving one term, is the right thing to do. >...

Potential presidential candidate, not just a potential vp pick. we talked a lot about beto o'rourke, he decided to run. her race was even closer than his if i'm remembering correctly. she has every right to run. and i think she would bring a lot to the table in terms of helping biden, so -- again, i don't see a down side. maybe the only down side you could point out is to say, well, if there's a long primary and let's say that's second candidate who loses out in the primary may be bringing them on board helps create some synergy and energy going into the convention, but, again, i think that's ...

A lunch between the two of them. just them alone in that room. and so i didn't get an outright denial that he offered her the position of a running mate but every indication and another source told me they asked biden was no offer about the vice presidency was made to stacey abrams. they are telling me there's a number of unconventional ideas they're considering as they get ready for a potential april launch. a vp pick is one of them. but south carolina would be a critical state for joe biden if he runs in the primary. no one knows south carolina democratic primaries better than clyburn. very ...