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States like ohio, where they portray him in that steelworkers ad and other ads where they show him as a vulture capitalist who essential low cares nothing about ordinary folks. that does hurt. the problem is it's so little a reflection of reality. if you're a voter, and you end up ending up at the polls, so you're interested enough to go into the polls you're not going to rely exclusively on that. you're going to show some interest, and chances are you'll either see romney in this speech, ryan in this speech, or you'll watch the debates. and in these unfiltered forums, where you'll see romney,...

Governor romney can pull a ronald reagan here at this convention. what do you mean by that and what does he do to pull a ronald reagan? >> this is my 12th presidential campaign. i was around in 1980. reagan won the information, presumptive nominee, down 14 points to jimmy carter. by august he was still down nine points to ji jimmy carter. people knew jimmy carter shouldn't be re-elected, but they weren't sure about reagan. at the debates, they said, all the bad stuff they say about reagan, i like him. he seems normal and regular to me. this week mitt romney will have the chance to start doing ...

You. >> i think you're right that it is rooted in some way in policy. classically people say the democrats are the mommy party, and republicans are the daddy party, and mommy isn't going to remove your breakfast from you. and they always think of the republicans as mean guys who just want to cut. with romney's case it goes beyond the policy, because the reason that becomes a credible argument is because they feel from his personal history that he doesn't care, and that's where the hundreds of millions of dollars obama has spent on all these ads, attacking him as a vulture capitalist and that t...

That we're going to try really hard to define. now the choice is you may not like afghanistan or renewable energy or solyndra or health insurance coverage for contraception or something, fine. do you like medicare? now it is a choice. it is no longer just a referendum on obama and that's everything they wanted. >> bill bennett, how do you see it? >> well, i see paul ryan as a serious man for serious times. and here's what i think. it is a clear choice. there will be a serious debate. people will pause and think about the debate, think about the argument, and take paul ryan's argument seriously...

Like afghanistan or renewable energy or solyndra or health insurance coverage for contraception or something, fine. do you like medicare? now it is a choice. it is no longer just a referendum on obama, and that's everything they wanted. >> bill bennett, how do you see it? >> well, i see paul ryan as a serious man for serious times. and here's what i think. it is a clear choice. there will be a serious debate. if people will pause and think about the debate, think about the arguments, and take paul ryan's argument seriously that he will make and lead on, and he's got a winning way. this is one ...