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>> wait a minute. how will you feel? >> i haven't -- i'm not going to speculate on things that haven't happened yet. i haven't seen -- >> if he says -- >> i've seen selective leaks -- >> it's not a leak when the guy puts out a sworn statement. sondland isn't a leak. these aren't anonymous. they aren't leaks, fred. you know. these are real people saying real things. >> there was a statement by this fellow, but we don't know what happened in closed-door testimony. we hear from the republicans that this guy was destroyed -- >> what does that tell you? let's be pair. both sides leak like a sieve. ...

Republicans are in there, they are then going to have hearings and at that point all the arguments apply. transparent, due process -- >> the democrats don't plan on giving any of those -- >> they absolutely do. they said they're going to have open hearings. >> they said they're going to have open maergz. they're not going to give the rights to the minority. they're not going to gift rights to the president. first of all, the president's counsel should be asking questions right now in schiff's hearing. why aren't they doing that? >> no way. >> why not? >> because those situations are deposition...