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$11.7 million. minimum wage workers got just over $15,000. that gap is enormous, patricia. >> that gap is enormous. that gap is, frankly, wrong. i think most americans believe that. when you look into detailed polling about right track, wrong track, when most people believe that the country's on the wrong track, a big piece of that is because of what they see, just an enormous disparity between people. again, everybody who is going to work, going to work every single day and just a massive pay increase for the people at the very, very top, middle class extremely stagnant and people at the lowe...

Me. >> it is good for women, it is good for men, it is good for husbands, good for male children of those women. republican hypocrisy on this is really staggering. i respect ruth marcus. but againvy another liberal. kind of tone policing the democrats because maybe the rhetoric has gone a tiny bit too far on this. but the truth is republicans are against anything that could make this gap smaller. it seems to me one of the west best things you could do is raise the minimum wage. republicans say one reason there is a gap is because women are aggregated at the low end of the wage scale at low-wag...

Conservatives on raising the minimum wage. give me the elevator pitch. i'm a conservative billionaire, we end up at the same conference. what's your pitch for why i should be behind a minimum wage increase. >> it's a simple idea. >> right now the government spends over $250 billion every year on social welfare programs for the working poor. people who work but can't afford to survive on the paychecks, if we raise the minimum wage to a reasonable level. all those costs will be cut, and the taxpayers will save money. i think it makes much more sense for businesses to pay their own workers rather...

What's your pitch for why i should be behind a minimum wage increase. >> it's a simple idea. >> right now the government spends over $250 billion every year on social welfare programs for the working poor. people who work but can't afford to survive on the paychecks, if we raise the minimum wage to a reasonable level. all those costs will be cut, and the taxpayers will save money. i think it makes much more sense for businesses to pay their own workers rather than to shift the burden to the american taxpayer. >> we've seen a bipartisan push in policy, which is basically to say, we're going to ...

Comparison of states that did have a higher minimum wage did much better on the employment front than those states that didn't have as high a minimum wage. so it's been documented and it's empirical that in raising the minimum wage, you also increase wages or the wage scale for others to have an increase as well. >> there are lots of studies and there with is lots that go into the unemployment rate. gary, what do you say about that? >> look. i'll see your study, i'll raise you two studies. you know, this isn't the problem of how the left thinks. they think the image ec panacea is give them mor...