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Submitting the vias what they know and what the president of the united states might mention their names and passing? >> it would seem a legitimate defense, your view would be different when it? as a rational ordinary american citizen if there is ultimately found to be a basis behind a biden or son investigation. what your view be different if the investigation is legitimate and uncovers potential illegal activity? it doesn't look like we're digging up dirt on joe biden and his son. it would seem a logical defense to say wait a second, it's where the president is pushing towards having somebod...

He was on his way to one of the branch offices of his credit union. claiming kidnappers had strapped a plastic explosive to his belly, and rigged another device beneath his mother's bed back home where she lay bound. >> i'm driving to the credit union. and now, for the first time, i start to think of, "wow. how's this gonna play out? what's gonna happen?" >> reporter: wait a second. are -- are you meant to drive yourself? is that what you're saying? >> yes. they actually wanted me to drive my own car. >> reporter: how are they gonna control you? >> and that's -- i figure they were just gonna f...

After the phone call. the dollars were released to the ukraine before any of this investigation unfolded in the last few weeks. and then when you look at what shawn is saying here, you're saying wait a second, suddenly the change here said you don't have to have firsthand account in order to present this kind of a claim? that's raising serious questions about what's going on in the intelligence community. >> well, we know -- >> it's troubling -- >> i was going to say, shannon, it's troubling. but it shouldn't surprise us. i always go back to this. but i think it's important. january 3, 2017, c...

Maybe the white house will come up with more information. what they've done now -- and i don't know if this is to their credit or judgment. i might be too early to tell -- is confirm what might've been said in this complaint. hopefully they will come up with more information to give us context of what it might've been moved, and whether other things have been moved to the same server. >> melissa: john roberts, thank you so much. for more on all this, let's bring in ari fleischer, former white house press secretary under george w. bush and the fox news contributor. great to see you, ari. you ar...

Whole bunch -- >> not everywhere. >> melissa: is that true or false? >> there were more constrained. they were definitely constrained. it's true they were constrained, and other not. >> melissa: mm-hmm. thank you for coming on today, we appreciate your time. >> [laughs] okay. >> melissa: more details, more sickness, no official say they think they know the cause. plus, impeachment inquiry against the president. a new development, but there is growing evidence that it may have been the plan all along. ♪ geico makes it easy to get help when i need it. with licensed agents available 24-7, it's ...