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Perhaps he can avoid it this time. >> just to be clear here, manu raju, no details on what's in that deal, that's more than a little important here. any sense of whether this has any level of presidential sign-off? >> it's really unclear at this point. the president tries to move and act administratively. declare a national emergency to try to get funding for his border wall, do that way. he certainly won't get the $5.7 billion he has demanded for the wal wall. >> some kind of border deal. joining me now, cnn political

Colleague ted liu said about it yesterday. >> i can confirm what many people know. nancy pelosi is a bad ass and that's why we're doing so well in the negotiations. there are discussions about additional physical barriers in some places. we'll see how those discussions go. but the wall that donald trump envisions, that is not part of the discussion. >> first of all, do you think nancy pelosi is a bad -- no i'm kidding. should the american people -- >> no. i think nancy is wonderful. i want that on the record. >> in his colorful language. it's great. do you think the american people should be a...

Him and his family. but it's also a very painful thing for millions of virginians and millions of people across america to sort of revisit issues we all have hoped were long past us. i don't think as the governor of the commonwealth he can function. >> do you think he will ultimately resign? >> i think he's going to have to. i think ultimately he'll see the wisdom of that counsel. that is just, where are you going to go and be welcome? you can't cut a ribbon anymore? you can't campaign with candidates this year? it's an election year in virginia. you can't go to the general assembly in richmon...

His campaign promise that i'm going to build a wall. a big beautiful shining seawall. he was willing to shut down the government and inflicting enormous pain to redeem that pledge after right wing talking heads on fox and friends criticized him. that's no way to proceed and we're not going to pander to that. >> before i let you go, i want to ask you about your colleagues on the ways and means committee. you say thursday they'll start talking about the president's tax returns. how important is it for the public to see the president's tax returns and do you think there's an appetite for it? >> i...

Wall. >> i don't like to take things off the table. it's that alternative. it's national emergency. it's other things and there have been plenty national emergencies called. and this really is an invasion of our country by human trafficker traffickers. >> meanwhile, they contradicted under oath some of the president's most persistent foreign policy assertions. that included the national intelligence director telling lawmakers isis would continue to stoke violence in syria. but in this new interview, he repeated his assertion on the terrorist group. >> what specifically was wrong about what the...