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Acknowledging that, which is why he keeps getting tied up in knots. trying to square those things that just don't match. >> you see a little bit of the same thing here. you say the president's real lawyers in this case -- not his p.r. lawyers -- must have just gotten really upset about what rudy giuliani was saying in public. >> it seemed last night before "the new yorker" interview that's what happened. that mr. and mrs. raskin and emmett flood, we have seen reports from maggie haberman and others, "new york times" and other outlets people around the white house and his team preparing for the...

There has been little clarity but clenplenty of confusion wit rudy giuliani. it's a sort of rinse in repeat. hours or days later, after a claim, there's a walkback. this latest one is relating to rudy giuliani's comments over the weekend where he appeared to say pretty clearly the president and his team were involved in conversations as it related to the moscow tower project throughout the 2016 campaign. here is the back and forth. let's put this on the screen. first from the new york times. part of the reporting they said the trump tower moscow discussions were going on from the day i announc...

Shells and walk-backs that they don't know what's true and they don't care. >> we know that rudy giuliani is an unreliable narrator of this russian story. he comes out and says i was speaking hypotheticals, i'm just riffing out here. he has said what he said on sunday to abc in december, he said it to the the "new york times" previously that president trump was talking about this moscow trump tower plu tthrough end of the campaign in 2016. my question this hour is why would we listen to or interview rudy giuliani given if he's not speaking to the president and representing him publicly? >> tha...

The moment she comes out his mind changes. open the government. >> there you are. my bet is shutdown is not ending any time soon based on those positions. ahead spinning walk-back. walking it back and changing the story all together. that happened within the last 24 hours. we'll straighten it out if we can. we'll do that next. hit's a long-distance journey, e psoriasis is not always easy. and you have the determination to keep going. humira has a proven track record of being prescribed for over 10 years. humira works inside the body to target and help block a specific source of inflammation ...

How difficult or challenging is this for the republicans kind of saying mom on the sidelines because they're standing with the president. some polls are indicating his support of his base has slipped a tad since this shutdown has continued to drag on. >> that's right. there is, you know, some walkback from the base in terms of its support. the public blames the president and republicans in congress far more than they are blaming the democrats. and there are republicans who would like to see this resolve. but mitch mcconnell is standing firmly in the way, refusing to do anything, to put any leg...