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The president about this? >> no, no. >> shepard: just curious. all right, judge. >> all right, shech. >> shepard: how do you think it's going to go? the negotiation is not to get him out of the talking, it's to set the rules for the walk talking. >> my prediction is the president will overrule his lawyers and sit gun and speak with mueller, he probably believes he can talk mueller out of proceeding further. that in my view is an erroneous believe belief. >> shepard: will they be recording it? >> they will be making notes. that will be something to negotiate whether or not it's being recorded. ...

Telling stories and pointing out pictures of people that he had spent time with. and he would never go straight to the point. we sat there for a walk talking. and i remember him looking at me and he said, you know, you never know when history's calling. you never know exactly when the right moment is, but when it's there you have to seize it, you have to take a choice. because you don't know if it's going to come again. and i figured -- he had not endorsed me at that point and it wouldn't be for quite some time before he did, but i thought it was a reminder for me that i might have a chance to...