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Same cues that the same assumptions that the essentially the democratic party is working from. so in the weeks that the benghazi story has been unfolding and the president has been saying these really outrage justly untrue things about what you ordered, when he ordered it and got all the information outgoing back to susan rise how the cia operatives, basically our ambassador's bodyguards is flatly untrue and no one revisited that. the media is obsessing the war on women and binders and all of this, sort of nonsense about big bird and i think things are. doesn't mean they're insincere but where...

Change the talking point? >> unions aren't throwing in the towel. they want walker out. but the sense i had, was the "milwaukee journal sentinel" said we don't endorse having walker thrown out right now. you may have trouble with the policies or that wisconsin is a battleground between left and right. we don't like it either but we don't see recalling a governor on this basis. they are issue shopping to some extent. the bite from russ feingold said this is not the wisconsin we know and we need to move away from the stat. >> bret: recall or a regular election. >> they got a million signature fo...

And get 1.3 million? how tough will it be? >> people, so getting to 1.3 would be pretty tough. there are many wisconsinite who is talk of getting to get to 700, 800,000 and a million signatures. that's a big deal. when the ohioans filed that 1.3 million, that's when they knew they had to at a time that fight seriously. it will be similar in wisconsin. >> the polls show that people want this recall effort to move forward, and they want walker out. but that margin, i understand, has been narrowed quite a bit. also, is it a mistake to go after some other republicans? i understand that there are t...

Wisconsini wisconsinites, are they going to pull an ohio? how tough is that going to be? >> ed, i want to remind you, ohio has twice as many people. so getting to 1.3 million would be pretty tough. there are many wisconsinites who talk about getting to 700,000, 800,000, even 1 million signatures. that's a big deal. when the ohioans filed the 1.3 million, that's when everybody knew they had to take that fight seriously. it will be similar in wisconsin. >> and the polls are showing that people do want this recall effort to move forward. and they want walker out. but that margin, i understand, ha...