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Congress which is only -- january 3rd was start date. they voted for this. nancy pelosi does not think a wall is immoral. she had physical barriers in the past. this is not a policy issue, it's up lucas you. >> harris: i think we cite something. >> that's why it's hard to come to agreement. if it's just denying someone of something, how do you ever come to an agreement? >> harris: not to make this completely about the wall, but i think you had something there. the president has been saying "wall/barrier," whatever. with this work for democrats, wendy? could the president say, "you know what cu...

Misplaying here? >> maybe. >> because after our reporting after trump left the meeting then vice president pence said to schumer and pelosi what's your counteroffer and they didn't give one. >> that's right. >> is that what the 800,000 people who are going without paychecks they want them to be so dug in they don't make a counteroffer? >> i think that's so important and that's why finally, the smartly the president and the rest of the white house are trying to turn the discussion and turn the messaging away from wall barrier whatever you call it into border security. because border security as...

Branches of government. we have our responsibility. we appropriate the funds. the president is responsible to follow the laws. and the appropriations we pass. >> bottom line, are you willing to give up anything in order to see an end to this shutdown? >> i absolutely want to see an end to this shutdown. i'm absolutely willing to sit down and talk at any time about border security and what we can do. but i am puzzled as to why the president is holding the federal work force, so many agencies that have nothing to do with border security hostage towards his wall. it's difficult to work with this ...

They made it worse. if you have realized what they have done, they have gone 180 degrees opposite. they want open borders, they support legislation to authorize sanctuary cities throughout the country. they have gone completely to the left wing of their party. it is antithetical to what most americans want to. we know we need security or no need to change her immigration laws. we have to enforce those laws. before he got to that you have to secure your border and the best way to do that is a wall barrier. >> ed: jonathan just mentioned two different bills, one of them in 2013 in which over 60 ...

Prolonged shut down. now, to be specific it would be a partial government shut down. it would happen effectively friday at 11:59:5 that's when the money runs out and you have to make a deal. it looks like they may make a deal we will find out together. brian: sorry about the confusing toss. we will make it up to you later. for tim ryan very reasonable in that interview. understanding something. go to the border and ask them if a wall barrier, fence works? they say yes, it helps. no one says it's a cure-all. it's got to be a combination. i get it. there are certain areas where you can only -- y...