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Founder of the right wring wing christian group, wall builders. a man our next guest calls a christian nationalist pseudohistorian. he talks about the separation of church and state today is a distortion of what the founding fathers really wanted, which was for christianity to help co-govern the country. only they didn't tell anybody that. barton offers evidence for that hidden in the declaration of independence. now all of a sudden it's one of those on the back of the constitution and the picture of mona lisa stories. he cites the research of historian alice baldwin. >> there are 27 grievance...

Founder of the christian group, wall builders, a man our next guest calls a christian nationalist pseudohistorian. he talks about the separation of church and state today is a distortion of what the founding fathers really wanted, which was for christianity to help co-governor the country. barton offers evidence for that hidden in the declaration of independence. now all of a sudden it's one of those on the back of the constitution and the picture of mona lisa stories. he cites the research of historian alice baldwin. >> there are 27 grievances in the declaration. the declaration starts with a...

Lecture was david barton, the founder of the christian group, wall builders, a man our next guest calls a christian nationalist pseudohistorian. he talks about the separation of church and state today is a distortion of what the founding fathers really wanted, which was for christianity to help co-governor the country. barton offers evidence for that hidden in the declaration of independence. now all of a sudden it's one of those on the back of the constitution and the picture of mona lisa stories. he cites the research of historian alice baldwin. >> there are 27 grievances in the declaration....

Just the white people , white people . white people. no. why are we intentionally leaving others out? there are black founders. this is our good friend david barton, the founder and president of wall builders. also author of "setting the record straight: american history in black and white." come on up here and sit here. we have lucas morrell, professor of washington and lee university in virginia. welcome. he is also the author of "lincoln's sacred effort." okay. david let me -- where do we start in maybe we should start with -- >> james armisted. a great one. james armistad after the battle ...

Say ing it was just the white people , white people . white people. no. why are we intentionally leaving others out? there are black founders. this is our good friend david barton, the founder and president of wall builders. also author of "setting the record straight: american history in black and white." come on up here and sit here. we have lucas morrell, professor of washington and lee university in virginia. welcome. he is also the author of "lincoln's sacred effort." okay. david let me -- where do we start in maybe we should start with -- >> james armisted. a great one. james armistad af...