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Harvey. they know that the wall isn't necessary. it's not necessary to build a wall, a contiguous wall all along our border. >> ladies, i don't know if you can see what we are seeing and broadcasting to our viewers, clearly the president and first lady have descendinged from air force one, they're now on the tarmac as they will wait to get into the beast, as it is commonly called. the president will make his way elsewhere on the ellington field base there where he'll be meeting with not only individuals impacted by hurricane harvey but also members of the texas delegation there, legislators, a...

Congressional republicans that are supportive of it to the point that they will go against maybe even those in their district. i mean it seems like it's a tremendous uphill battle to get congress on his side so he can actually get that funding. why do you think he still persists with this? >> well, because it was kind of the marquee of his campaign when he descended the stairs at trump tower and said that the mexicans are coming across here and they're rapists and they're criminals and they're flooding our economy and driving down wages. so i think he has to do something. and so the question i...

Deliver, specifically the wall. especially at this moment. and so these people may become kind of a political pawn in a way that the president is going to do something that even many in his own party are strongly opposed to simply because of who these people are. that they are in every sense so american in that they came here as children, they came here against -- they didn't make the decision to come here but they are now productive members of the american society and that they could be sent back away from a country, the only country that they have ever known. >> yeah. and jay, with regard to...

Funding to build this wall that he would potentially shut down the government. now, that has clearly in the recent weeks has backed off of that, especially because it's pretty clear on capitol hill from all of my sourcing that they're probably going to roll all of these packages this month into one giant bill. so you're looking at the continuing resolution that will avoid a government shutdown and fund the government beyond october 1st, something else to extend the debt ceiling so we can continue spending money as we've already outlayed it and allow the treasury to issue debt and then somethin...

Likely congress is going to ending up doing. that said, certainly we're going to have to come back and have to take another bite at this for funding for the rest of the year. we're looking at funding most likely will go through at least the rest of this fiscal year through december, but then when they get to december, they'll have to fund next year. so the question is will he then insist on paying for the wall then? most likely he will. he's made it very, very clear, it's one of the things he's most adamant about since taking office that he wants to see this wall built, he will see it built an...