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Pointed out rightly. the border patrol union is not an official spokesperson for the entire union and for all the members of customs and border protection and the border control. you have a senate confirmed commissioner who could have been there to answer questions, that was not what the white house intended. but i would say in is certainly some evidence that barriers work, they have worked in some sectors. but a couple key points, if the president felt it was necessary to have $5 billion for a border wall, he should have put that in his budget request. the president's own budget request asked...

Has committed crimes, it doesn't necessarily mean it's worth impeaching him. impeachment is so grave, even a criminal act needs to be weighed against the consequences of lawmakers taking that step. i wonder if you agree with that? >> i don't fully agree with that. if there's evidence of the violation of law, i think we took a constitutional oath to protect the constitution, including from a chief executive who has committed a criminal act. i don't think you can just waive that away. there are political considerations, impeachment is a political act as well as a legal constitutional act. i don'...

Ultimate end game, at least in your chamber of congress. have you personally seen enough to start going down that road, or would you need to see more? >> i think we need to wait for robert mueller's report. let him finish his investigation. let's not try to prejudge. but i don't want to duck your question. i do believe there's plenty out there that is deeply concerning with respect to the potential impeachment of this president. we now have in the cohen filing direct evidence and statements from the prosecutor that this president, individual number one, coordinated and directed illegal campaig...

Protection and the border control. you have a senate confirmed commissioner who could have been there to answer questions, that was not what the white house intended. but i would say in is certainly some evidence that barriers work, they have worked in some sectors. but a couple key points, if the president felt it was necessary to have $5 billion for a border wall, he should have put that in his budget request. the president's own budget request asked for $1.6 billion for 65 miles of border wall. so to get hung up now on this idea that $5 billion is needed for a wall doesn't make a lot of sen...

Investigation reveals more information that requires that people take action. >> is there any part of you that says, look, at some point we have to reopen the government no matter what we have to do here, that you have to give him something? at what point do you feel as if -- is there ever a pressure point in your mind that you're like let's give him something to get out of this, we've got to reopen the government? >> it all depends on what you mean by something. no one's going to give him $5 billion for an unnecessary and ineffective wall because in addition to the 5 billion this year, the sa...