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Line in the senate, not take up these individual spending bills, there's time for this political debate to take place. leland: earlier, congressman rooney of florida said that he felt bad for the president. it seems as though this is exactly the debate the president wants for his base. >> look, his whole campaign began with a call for the wall and in fact, he won in great part because of his position on this wall. meanwhile, you've got nancy pelosi's new majority in the house, they were elected to resist trump. that's a broader mandate, perhaps affords her more room to negotiate but at present...

Appropriations bills thursday. 12 republicans broke to vote with the democrats to re-open the transportation department and housing and urban development while ten voted to fund agriculture programs like food stamps and fda. but in an interview that aired last night the president tried to claim it was the other way around. listen to this. >> if you look, democrats in congress, especially the new ones coming in are starting to say wait a minute we can win this battle with trump because of the fact that it's just common sense. how can we say a wall doesn't work. they show helicopters of empty fi...

You told jim absolutely not. why should the republicans give anything if you don't think the democrats should give anything? i don't understand that. >> because let me tell you something. we have asked those questions, right? we have those conversations when we are all together in caucus. i can tell you that the homeland security bill includes billions of dollars for border security. what we cannot do is fund something that doesn't make sense. you can ask abigail about this. she has a lot of experience with, you know, dealing with some of these issues and the wall doesn't work. you can build t...

Trump. like you said earlier, this is -- this was fabricated. he wasn't interested in talking about immigration anyway. >> the drugs is an excellent comparison. that shows you why a wall doesn't work. having prosecuted drug cases for a number of years, they get it over the walls, they get it under the walls, they bring it around the walls, they do everything. you have never been able to stop drugs with a wall. >> exactly. all of this is built on a lie. the democrats would be wise to go in and say, we're not going to pretend it's about drugs, because drugs come here through shipping vessels tha...

They are coming into care, they are transferred by i.c.e. they try to care for those kids than they place them and the united states. we are encouraging this behavior. if it doesn't change it will continue and my experience we will see record numbers of people coming through the year. we are already in unprecedented territory as it relates to the statistics. 65% of everyone who comes to the border is either a child that has a loan or a family member. >> bret: to think that the semantics in this back and forth over the border wall is what is going to come down to? it will be called border secur...