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After getting beat up by his own base, caving on the government shutdown. fit was such a great gamble for democrats why don't they put their name on it the schumer shutdown. what we're looking at now is a negotiating position. the senator is taking the wall off the table so he can give it back as if it's a big concession. you know, jon, where the real political payoff is and the real debate is is over chain migration. that has to do for the democratic party about future voters. >> jon: democrats don't like the wall idea. president trump was very open when he was campaigning about that being on...

Lisa: republicans aren't all on board with the border wall as well. the republican party has been dried on issues of immigration. what do you think we'll see on the republican front on daca? >> republicans are united when it comes to border security. they become engineers in deciding which elements border security would work. if you talk to local officials, the attorney general of texas said putting up a wall bless mexico and texas would make el paso more safe. but there are different methods of border security, not necessarily this wall idea. but where rubber hits the road is daca's deadline ...

Are actually talking about whenever they're talking about legislation. >> and he doesn't know what he has been talking about. he doesn't know what his supporters want. immigration restrictionists in the republican party, i'm one of them, had in mind that immigration policy should look something like this. that the things that we most cared about were enforcement at the workplace and a reduction in overall numbers entering the country. to get that, you had to trade something and the thing that we always had in mind to trade was some kind of coverage for people who are brought into the country a...

Legislation. >> and he doesn't know what he has been talking about. he doesn't know what his supporters want. immigration restrictionists in the republican party, i'm one of them, had in mind that immigration policy should look something like this. that the things that we most cared about were enforcement at the workplace and a reduction in overall numbers entering the country. to get that, you had to trade something and the thing that we always had in mind to trade was some kind of coverage for people who are brought into the country as children. so that was a concession that you would trade ...

Not present. >> that's true, lawrence. but i would say this. pall lawrence has reported this week to told reporters, that even he thinks the wall is stupid. unless donald trump has a plan to ban ladders in north america, the wall is not going to work. so maybe this is an opportunity for them to finally bury the wall idea. we've got a need to rebuild from these disasters. spending $20 billion on a wall is just nuts. >> thank you both for joining us. tonight's "last word" is next. . ...that's heard throughout the connected business world. at&t network security helps protect business, from the la...