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We should have a border wall, this is a fight against mexico and the truth. he said mexico is going to pay for the wall. until he admits he lied about that, the democrats can't compromise to reach a point on a policy that doesn't make any sense in the first place, and that the president said mexico, not american taxpayers were going to pay for it. >> that is an important point to make. here's nancy pelosi getting there as well. when we're talking about the president fulfilling a campaign promise. unless mexico is paying for this wall, it's not a campaign promise that's been fulfilled. this is ...

Security. he should talk about the national security of the country as a whole, and not just the folks in his base. >> let's be honest about the president's base. they're being painted with a broadbrush. not everyone in that base wanted donald trump to build a wall. they wanted him to shore up border security. the people who got him into office were people that weren't necessarily the hardlined conservatives, the ones he may be pandering to right now. they were the ones who wanted government to function for them. it's unclear how a partial government shutdown helps anybody other than the presi...

>> garrett, he's talking about the border wall being essential to national security. democrats do not feel that way. they feel like they are giving money to the president for border security but the wall is not necessary and they will be offering the president six other plans. >> reporter: the argument about border security being national security would have been a good one several maonths ago. i heard the president do two things in this meeting just now. it's going to make coming to a solution on the shutdown almost impact. first he threw his vice president and his own plan under the bus. you...

>> from i.c.e. and from border patrol. al from some local law enforcement. how bad it is, how dangerous it is and why we need a wall. they know that. when they say the wall is immoral then you have to do something about the vatican because the vatican has the biggest wall of them all. the wall is immoral. look at all the countries that have walls. they work 100%. it's never going to change. wall is wall. if we have drones up there it's wonderful. a lot of people thought it was

In border wall funding. he just doesn't know what he wants. and even if he gets it, i don't think he'll know what to do with it, he can't build the wall in a lot of places because of natural barriers. there's a lot of issues, you're right, katie, he cares more about conservative commentators than anything else. >> he cares more about the fight. >> you have 10 seconds to wrap this all up for us. >> well, i just think -- it's not just conservative radio, that's a part of it, he has staffers in the white house, like steven miller w40rks are telling him to walk away from the deals. we had the issu...