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Don't like the idea of it but sometimes you got to do the horse trading. >> right. >> rick tyler, is this an easy horse trade to make in you got daca and some conservative congressional districts, i understand that, but it is an issue around the rest of the country. why not if you are a democrat say okay, we are giving his wall whatever that is and in exchange we actually do a deal on daca and maybe we expand it out to get the dreamers in as well. that seems to be a win-win for everybody. >> you would think so, joe. chuck schumer puts all his cards on the table that's why you saw him withdraw ...

Broken, that you have an issue, daca, where 90% of americans want it done. where most republicans, sensible republicans and there are a lot of them, want it done. we're nearly all democrats want it done. and it might not get done. >> no. and i think it's a very good point, especially because the spending bills, there's a super majority in the senate that agreed with those, every provision in the continuing resolution. including long-term extension of children's health insurance, federally subsidized children's health insurance. why wasn't it getting passed? because the senate has gone from bei...

Fisa section 702 in the legal code. so the president by implication, his tweet sounded as if he was urging one position quite different, not a real gray area, the exact opposite of what the white house had said. and it would appear the president con flights soflates own personal struggles with russia investigation and larger issue. and of tom clancy pop culture back drop of all this, there has been times in u.s. history domestic spying of american citizens done by the government. that's why the foreign intelligence surveillance act was enacted to try to create the barriers. then after 9/11 the...

Authorization for construction of 6 to 700 miles of a fence along the border. another issue is family-based migration. this will be very minor and limited and it will change as it pertains to d.r.e.a.m.ers and their families. and, finally the visa lottery system. and that will probably end. and this group of six senators continued to meet after the white house meeting. and they merged from an afternoon meeting yesterday saying they were pretty optimistic. we have some sound of senator richard durbin, a democrat from illinois talking about this. >> we're still working. we feel very positive we ...

Said before the wall has to be part of that. we knew that. we knew that democrats all know that. they have to address that in some form. and they all seem willing to do it. so, yes, there is a constellation here of good will, but the history of this issue is that you get almost to a deal and then it falls apart. and that is history that goes back more than a decade. >> that's right. we have seen that movie before. you also has the president yes very definitive yesterday and in the past about wall issue. hasn't been definitive on all things regarding immigration. here's an example. >> we need a...