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They're not going to cross. and it's going to become an election issue for sure in 2020. if the wall is being built or it's built by then, it will be a victory for the president. if it isn't, then it will be a point of contention between him and the democratic nominee. but the fact of the matter is the president can build this wall with or without nancy pelosi's approval through a state of emergency or even other ways. and i think he is intent on doing that. >> kirsten, wouldn't it -- it seems like obviously there is going to be some sort of a compromise between democrats and republicans, whet...

Regulations laid on business by the obama administration. it was a key campaign promise, of course. and i think because it was so central to his victorious campaign, i think the democrats have decided it's a line that they're not going to cross. and it's going to become an election issue for sure in 2020. if the wall is being built or it's built by then, it will be a victory for the president. if it isn't, then it will be a point of contention between him and the democratic nominee. but the fact of the matter is the president can build this wall with or without nancy pelosi's approval through ...

It's even more complicated than this. to show you how rawly political this is, let's suppose the congress did pass $5.7 billion and it was specifically to build a wall or, you know, the slat art object that donald trump is so infatuated with. then you have -- you would have environmental studies. then you would have imminent do main lawsuits all the way wherever they're going to build this wall. imminent do main used to be a conservative issue. the closer you get to the border, the fewer people actually support a wall, because those communities live on the border and life on the border and peo...

This mini tweet storm about democrats, saying that they are the ones who are being obstructionists over this border wall that he wants built and his money for the border wall, right? you can see it there, democrats' obstruction of the desperately needed wall. in another instance, he talked back about that -- remember that daca for a wall deal, that was a bit of revisionist history because the white house was setting up press releases trying to torpedo that bipartisan deal that had come up. the president is clearly frustrated that there's not more movement in his direction related to money for ...

Government shutdown, president trump waiting for congress to negotiate with him, not budging on his request for billions of dollars for a wall or, as he says, a fence or something at the southern border, something he now claims providing new evidence that federal workers want, too. >> many of those workers have said to me and communicated, stay out until you get the funding for the wall. these federal workers want the wall. >> let me get to msnbc's garrett haake on the hill for us. we know there may not be a lot of action until members of the congress get back into town, but nancy pelosi is ta...