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Experienced periods of foolishness and we look back and recognize that the problems were not nearly as grave, the enemy was not nearly as strong and the u.s. was actually far more secure. and the actions taken by washington, suspending civil rights, interning japanese americans, taking the country to war were almost always terrible mistakes with disastrous long term consequences. this whole wall situation highlights a problem that has become apparent in these last two years. the american president now has too many powers, formal and informal. this was not intended by the founders who made cong...

Assessment? >> i think it's him on a tight rope trying to navigate the fact that his base was a little disrupted by the fact that he was willing to have more discussions about daca and go back on his word and potentially maybe go back on this wall situation. this is very key to him. i think he tried to lead his base. his base balked. so it's him trying to save face as well as the white house. that's what i think is really happening. >> trace: bracelet, and the president says he's not going back on the wall but he is talking about alternatives. you think he's blink something. >> no. i think the...

And the senate will have their say before a bill ever gets to the president. >> trace: yeah, and do you think this is good for the democrats? the democrats getting what they want out of the president or is there some skepticism thinking, you know, maybe he's playing us a little bit? >> i think for schumer and pelosi, they're very thrilled to have gotten further in one week on discussions with trump and the gop has gotten in eight months having to majority on a lot of legislation. so for them, they think this is one a step in the right direction. they've got ten him talking about daca, which wa...