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Into law. because we all want to get to a solution here. and we realize the clock is ticking. but i think that, for me, frames the issue about as well as i can. >> thank you. very well said. you know, one of the reasons i'm here, chuck, so importantly, is exactly that. i mean, normally you wouldn't have a president coming to this meeting. normally, frankly, you'd have democrat, republicans and maybe nothing would get done. you know, our system lends itself to not getting things done. and i hear so much about the old earmark system. how there was a great friendliness when you had earmarks. but ...

Both when the cameras were there, and afterwards. he said we are not talking about a 2,000 mile wall. there are rivers and mountains that preclude a wall from being built. you don't need it. and the wall isn't so much as wall as it is a fence. we have walls on the southern border that we have been removing and putting fences in their place. it's effective. that's extremely useful for people to see that we are talking about a wall system that includes barriers, technology, and manpower, and not a big opaque 2,000-mile wall. so that -- and if you look at what the president asked for in this year...

In. 22 people came in. 30 people came in. with this one person that just killed a lot of people. i really don't believe there are a lot of democrats saying they'd be supporting chain migration anymore. >> should we have the homeland security secretary -- >> yes. >> -- border security, i just want to try to make sure we're all linking. the reason that border security is so important to have as part of this discussion is that it doesn't solve the problem if we can apprehend people but we can't remove them. so we need the wall system, which is some physical structure as the president described, p...

Consists of the brick and mortar, technology, it consists of pernlsonnel and look at our custom and border agents they say we need this wall system in place. and what's interesting is that back, you know, in 2006 it was 54 senate democrats who voted for a physical barrier along the southern border. it was the chuck schumer bill involved as well as the secure fence act. it's very clear that we can find common ground with the democrats in ensure that we don't continue to recreate these problems on illegal immigration for too long, for decades this issue has been ignored or just pushed to the sid...

That down and replacing it with fence because a fence is far more effective. so the wall isn't really a wall, it's mostly a fence and it doesn't stretch for 2,000 miles. that's good for people who aren't familiar with our southern border to know. and it will make it i think easier to envision what it really is, a wall system that involves some barriers or infrastructure, personnel and technology. >> might be easier to get democratic voters for something like that as well. >> it will. >> i want to ask you in arizona, sheriff joe arpaio, whom the president pardoned last year, he's running to rep...