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It's akin to, you know, the trump family thinking. >> you talk about his resume. he was a conspiracy theorist. he did the lock her up thing. just because you ran an agency doesn't mean you're always with it. it doesn't mean you can't be arrogant. >> clearly not. you know, the president's son-in-law thought that he could establish a back channel, which is a polite term for having private conversations that the united states of america can't hear. >> yeah. >> with the russian ambassador. >> it's all so shady. i got to get to the break. you guys will come back. stay with me. peanut stuff. peanut ...

Outsmart -- >> that might be a good explanation for the guy driving the cab over here to cnn, but it's not for somebody who ran the defense intelligence agency. i mean he should know that our eyes and ears, that is to say, the united states' eyes and ears are on people like the russian ambassador. it's akin to, you know, the trump family thinking that they could -- >> you don't think that's entitlement or arrogance? even with all of that, you talk about his résume. he was a conspiracy theorist. he did the lock her up thing. just because you ran an agency doesn't mean you're always with it. it...

Offer, quote, unquote, political synergy to the trump campaign and michael cohen. and i think sort of you actually touched on something i want to highlight right there, which is it's incredible that we continue to learn about new approaches by new russians to the trump campaign, to trump associates, to business partners. i mean this is -- it seems increasingly clear that this was a multi-pronged, long-running intelligence operation by a series of russian cutouts to penetrate and befriend and aid and test the willingness of the trump campaign to accept the help. in some ways, that is the most c...

Help. in some ways, that is the most clear thing that we see unfolding over the course of -- >> you think they knew? you think the trump folks knew or they were being played? >> well, so that's the thing that we just don't know yet is the extent to which the trump campaign was actively involved in this conspiracy or was simply just willing to accept the help wherever it was coming from. and that is something that, you know, should not be lost on this. this is approaching, as i said in a piece earlier this week, the worst-case scenario that we could have for the united states, that this was a c...

Government. not as a coffee girl since he likes coffee boys so much. but you know what, don, oh, can we talk about mike pence for a minute? i mean, my god, can be you just give me a close-up of that man's face. >> madam to you squad's wax figuring. > i don't know if he was levitating, meditating or hibernating. that was a thing of beauty. honestly, could i watch those 15 minutes of tv all damn day. >> i was thinking you know what, he's pretty smart. i'm not getting into this. i'm not. but it was funny watching him. >> he does a hell of an imitation of a cactus. >> you're crazy, girl. >> okay. ...