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Consciousness of guilt. it shows you're trying to hide something because potentially the thing you're hiding is so damaging that there's an underlying crime there. it's a dangerous position there all in. one of the things we hear about obstruction of justice we don't often think of it's not just a problem for donald trump. it's promotionally a problem for a number of aides that work for him and around him. >> you study these things. do you see in this group of people around donald trump the kind of personalities that would be will be to lie to the fbi or lie to special counsel for donald trump...

Stwraenl strategy. but you can give him any number he wants because it will not be spent. and the next congress can simply remove that. they will have to continue to proe appropriate it. so that is the big joke in negotiations. last thing i would do is just hand over basically whatever i needed to the wall and then i as congress will not spend it. and this wall proper on jekt is a ten year project minimum. there is all sorts of problems that will on come with it. congress can end this wall project whenever they want to. >> and last question. this is the thing i think that is giving a lot of de...

I want the get what's going on in new york and where they're talking about free education for illegals. your sense of this debate back and forth, it looks like each side is willing to bend a little bit if chuck schumer does on the wall thing, the president does on eventual citizenship thing and this can all be over with. do you think it can be? >> i think it will. at the end of the day, dreamers are here and you can't deport all of these individuals. some are very productive citizens. there's a need and desire to say and folks across the country would like to see that happen. where it comes to...

Won't. i think what happens going to happen, if the house passes through, what's mitch mcconnell going to do? >> here's the story, an uncertain trumpet, is it that the president will give on the wall thing, the president understands daca and can't fight it? that's the message from the chief of staff to the caucus the other day. the president saying today i am still a wall guy and i'm tough. >> the leadership matters. we're seeing what happens when we don't have leadership. this level of dysfunction. you can't have this. nancy pelosi nailed it. it's amateur hour. and it's dangerous for those th...

Tough, but at this point he has been out there blaming the democrats for a possible shut down and sending mixed signals to members of his own party and that doesn't get you to too many legislative wins. >> the president's chief of staff said about that whole wall thing, my boss was "uninformed." >> kelly is smart enough to know when he tosses around that kind of language in a roomful of people who are not supportive of the president's agenda, it will get out there in the most unflattering light possible. he went on fox news and tried to walk back the comments saying he was trying to make a poi...