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To whether or not we have a shutdown. it's possible we'll have a shutdown. the chances are probably very good. i don't think democrats care so much about maybe this issue. >> president trump, you will not get your wall. abandon your shutdown strategy. you're not getting the wall today, next week or on january 3rd when democrats take control of the house. >> the need for greater security on our southern border is not some partisan invention. it's a fact. the need is only growing. >> with the shutdown looming, stocks slid. yesterday the dow dropped nearly 500 points to a 14-month low. right now ...

Which by the way it's a weird style thing at dhs they don't use indefinite or definite articles in front of wall, it's wall, she is pushing this now, the president insisted is -- do your republican colleagues realize the whole thing is a preposterous con? >> i think many of them do, but i think that what they have done is they've set themselves in motion in a certain way, chris, and they've articulated some things to their base and they can't find the way out of their own dilemma they've created for themselves. look, when i met with mr. kelly, the chief of staff, when i was sitting right next ...

Work for this administration, she's not going to leave with her reputation or her dignity intact. >> when she said wall today, which by the way it's a weird style thing at dhs they don't use indefinite or definite articles in front of wall, it's wall, she is pushing this now, the president insisted is -- do your republican colleagues realize the whole thing is a preposterous con? >> i think many of them do, but i think that what they have done is they've set themselves in motion in a certain way, chris, and they've articulated some things to their base and they can't find the way out of their ...

Again? who would fight side by side with us again if we abandon them? na is a very significant worry as i am talking to the democrats and the republicans here that they have right now that the president is being, positioning to abandon allies to a very, very challenging fate. >> senator tim kaine, thank you very much for being with us today. >> thank you, andrea. and now, on the senate floor and talking about the shutdown is senator schumer. >> abandon the shutdown strategy. you not getting the wall today, next week or on january 3rd when t the democrats take control of the house. just two d...

Senator dick durbin, democrat from illinois said they are close to reaching an agreement to vote on that bill tonight and you heard from senator scott earlier on this show that they believe they do have the votes to pass that. that's one element. the other one is this possible government shutdown and where the way forward is. it doesn't seem like they are making a lot of headway but the white house may think they can move money around. >> the white house thinks there is money to be had that they can spend on border security, i think a little bit of progress is made, the president did not say t...