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Another and how it has to be done. what is the difference between putting a wall up and a bunch of guys with ak-47s? neither of those are inviting. >> folks in this town take the president literally on every step, the president said we will secure the border. a decade plus ago, senator schumer, obama, john kerry, all voted for border legislation, didn't used to be partisan at all. >> putting up a barrier. >> this is one of donald trump's -- and he was elected president of the united states. and in addition to stronger law

>> on everything -- >> he's talking about a wall, but he says, now we've got mountains and rivers and everything, we don't need a wall all the way across the rio grande. >> i don't mind if there's a negotiation on what we describe as a wall and how big it is and all of that. but this president has got to get a wall. he can't walk away from that. to me, the most interesting thing today was watching it live. i think they should make all of this stuff live. >> did you think it was real? >> i do, to some degree. but they're all on their best behavior. because they -- >> that's what i said -- >> i'...

El paso. every place they put the wall up, illegal crossings went down. why wouldn't the country not want a wall to help the public and national security? it's a wise investment. brian: tom, what i think is it also underappreciated is the message sent. how many people want to take the quest getting here if they're going to be sent back? so they don't want to make the trip. it's impossible to calculate but overwhelmingly a factor. >> well, look, that's another negative effect of sanctuary cities; right? sanctuary city do a lot of things. none of them are any good. sanctuary cities are alien smu...

Criminal liability, the way to get yourself off the hook and potentially his son who's involved is to cooperate with the prosecution. >> so what's going on? here we live in washington. how's the president's team responding to flints put in the wall up? >> this is what they have been expecting. microphones attorney have had an information sharing agreement with the legal team and that's fairly normal to do these large criminal investigations. one side decides to cooperate that communication stops. this week general sense attorney made it known they cannot share information about the investigati...

30 rock right now. we just heard what sounds like a drill. maybe someone's banging through a wall up above us. who knows? >> it's the infrastructure plan. >> harold ford. we're always doing improvements here. this place gets better and better by the year, i do have to say that. harold ford is a former democratic congressman from tennessee, also a jokester, as you just heard, and a policymaker in residence at the university of michigan's gerald ford school of public policy. and nicole is the author of "branding america." i wondered if somebody was going to drill through the ceiling just then. n...