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I think the unraveling of this shows it's a mistake. putting a president on trial would be an undo interference with his executive powers, but indicting would clarify the circumstance. in defense of the policy of mueller, mueller wants you to know that whether something is technically a crime has little to do with whether it ought to be the kind of wrongdoing which should lead to impeachment, which is more profound. >> i thought his use of that word, it's only congress that can formally accuse a president of wrongdoing, accuse a president of wrongdoing, was an interesting choice of words. not ...

I think the unraveling of this shows it's a mistake. putting a president on trial would be an undo interference with his executive powers, but indicting would clarify the circumstance. in defense of the policy of mueller, mueller wants you to know that whether something is technically a crime has little to do with whether it ought to be the kind of wrongdoing which should lead to impeachment, which is more profound. >> i thought his use of that word, it's only congress that can formally accuse a president of wrongdoing, accuse a president of wrongdoing, was an interesting choice of words. not ...

But congress can. joining me now for more on the public statement are walter dellinger and frank figluci. frank, let me start with you. we're in a position where we have the man's words, but they are carefully parsed and intended to remain neutral. what is your read of what he did today, the intent and purpose? >> if you know mueller, you know that today was remarkable for him. by that i mean, he had to make the decision that he would go outside the system, he would not testify before congress, he would not file a written report, he would stand inside the department of justice and make his own...

Than that. i have to tell you, there's still value in questioning him if he will simply be forthcoming. we need to get in the weeds about what was communicated and transpired between doj and mueller. and what shaped his thinking with regard to not doing certain things. by the way, another statement that came up today in mueller's nine minute was that the decision as to what of his work product is going to get released is being done completely without his team. he threw that in there. it's important because every sentence is important. understand notes, surveillance logs, legal memos and opinio...

If he will simply be forthcoming. we need to get in the weeds about what was communicated and transpired between doj and mueller. and what shaped his thinking with regard to not doing certain things. by the way, another statement that came up today in mueller's nine minute was that the decision as to what of his work product is going to get released is being done completely without his team. he threw that in there. it's important because every sentence is important. understand notes, surveillance logs, legal memos and opinions, all are now in the hands of who? attorney general barr who gets to...