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About environmentalists than jobs. the perfect time to approve this thing, the mench to the russians and everything else, we're going to be energy independent. we're going to provide energy to the rest of the world. >> this is an interdependent world and the fact that environmentalists and the democratic party and one big donor, tom steyer have effectively a veto is very did he tell tri mental to the united states. >> keystone is an example of corruption in both political parties. >> well, it is an example of corruption. you have one boil ordinary -- billionaire threatening up to saying i don'...

Have your caucus bend to your will sometimes and there's absolutely none of that there. >> joe, i don't think spencer tracy in boystown could get this caucus under control. this caucus is beyond control. >> that's for a chicago liberal. this isn't a bad caucus. i will tell you we get a few things done in the 90s with the caucus everybody bit as conservative as this. i know people don't like thinking about that, like saying that but, chuck, i don't think things have changed all that much since '94. >> he had to me the smartest political maneuver would have been to do keystone. why? because keys...