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That's impossible. >> no, the pizza man keeps a receipt. you can track, okay. >> tim had been slipped up by his own statement. the detective said the suspect knew the charade was over. >> he put his face in his hand, he literally covered his face for two or three minutes. tim ultimately looked up at us and the car salesman guy that we knew as tim permenter completely left the room. >> what did you see in his eyes, in his face? >> the first thing i thought was satan just walked in the room. >> coming up. >> i knew i was innocent. >> was he? the trial and the verdict. when written in blood conti...

He wasn't happy to see this. >> i'm at my home in north port, florida, mark shows up, everybody know what is that is. i'm thinking, what the heck is that? >> detective holbrooke identified himself and said they need to talk to him about his friend karen. >> 23 sit down on the porch and goes, well, she's dead. this doesn't register. i said, you need to tell me what's going on. >> but the detective wanted roc to do the talking. he asked about his troubled relationship with karen. >> roc indicated that he was using drugs and that karen liked to drink and that they fought often. >> roc said he sav...

His own statement. the detective said the suspect knew the charade was over. >> he put his face in his hand, he literally covered his face for two or three minutes. tim ultimately looked up at us and the car salesman guy that we knew as tim perminter completely left the room. >> what did you see in his eyes, in his face? >> the first thing i thought was satan just walked in the room. >> coming up. >> i knew i was innocent. >> was he? >> juries like to see forensics. >> right. >> dna the blood samples and they didn't have it. >> that was the biggest concern for me. >> the trial and the verdict ...

Attitude. >> i did call her on several occasions about the roll top desk. >> the desk. >> that stupid desk and it was bugging me. it was a nice piece of furniture and i wanted to get it back and she pretty much said you left, you're not getting it. >> it was still in her condo on the night she was stabbed to death. now the detective wanted to know if roc had been there too. >> he said where were you on such and such a day. first of all i'll have to look at the calendar because i don't know where i was that day but i guarantee you i wasn't there. we go from there to discussing where i was and w...

>> it's a poor set of facts. >> for him. >> and then his alibi took another hit. he first said he was home when he called his friend george just after 9:30. the detective found evidence proving otherwise. >> once we get the phone records back and the cell tower sight locations back we're putting him at her house. >> so the tower, was that catching him in a lie? >> absolutely. his 911 phone call in the morning hits off the same tower he was hitting off when he called george at 9:36 the night before which is directly north of karen's house. >> they could think of only one reason for tim to lie a...