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This case. i guess it is different from how other presidents behave. >> annie carney, i know not everyone in trump's world is psyched of rudy's travel plans this time of the year. are they as psyched about the strategy, going forward, the plan of counter attack as we know it tonight? >> well, they really want to get to the senate trial because they think they have a much bigger chance putting forth a county proposal here. we see these three senators making an argument reinvestigate ukraine's involvement. talking about calling people like the whistleblower and adam schiff, these are dramatic mo...

Schiff, these are dramatic mo moments that are not going to happen but are trying to could wanter offense. they really know the outcome here that they're not going to convict the president is a better plain field than in the house. that's what we saw in pat cipollone and basically what we saw from the beginning of the process weeks ago. >> let's pick up right at that point. as long as the phrase in the senate is not an oxymoron. if cooler heads in the senate prevails, none of the witnesses are on the witness from pelosi, though it won't be lacking for action, is everyone straight up and down j...