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Walking away from the treaty. to your point, julie, it's really aimed at china. because china, the threat to china is in the south china sea. the ranges that a war would be initiated is somewhere between 500 miles off the coast to about 1200 miles off the coast. the only way to achieve those ranges is to use the very missiles and rockets that are optimized to fire at those ranges. so this is a conventional war decision. it's aimed at china and it's not intended to be aimed at russia, julie. >> julie: i want to ask you if you believe -- president trump has responded to the latest missile tests ...

Because they wanted to invade iraq. so it's one thing to look at the fact that they don't have national security experience. it's the other thing to admit the fact that they have a number of people who said to hell with that, we're going to go after saddam hussein and finish the gulf war that we didn't finish before. >> you were on the way to the white house until voters got in the way. think about that, though. you're in the oval office. and you know, you know the history. they've been wrong a lot. they didn't tell the president that pakistan was developing a nuclear bomb. would have been pre...

Earlier that acknowledged that i should haste top add that presidents rarely read national intelligence reports. >> this was pretty important. >> this was right on the topic that was the main basis for selling the war decision. >> couldn't you argue, to play devil's advocate, that the cia should still, even if the policy makers had preconceived notion, even if the cabinet members came in sayering with going to go aftered is sadd dam hussein and looking for a justification, argue that the cia should have been more careful in wait it vetted that intelligence estimate to avoid giving them any pap...

Former vice president dick cheney called last week's drone strike against al qaeda operative anwar al awlaki a validation of bush administration policies and he said that president obama should apologize for his past criticism of bush/cheney era. paul pillar spent 2 years serving as national intelligence officer under president george w. bush and author of the new book "intelligence and u.s. foreign policy" about the years before and after 9/11 and he joins us now. thanks so much for being here. >> thank you. >> first of all, the debate over the iraq war and whether or not it was justified, th...