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We would do, which is to have a stand-up, ready afghan army willing to fend off a civil war. >> we're not going to have that right. >> what can we do? can we stay till 2030? 2040? was there an answer to that by mitt romney the other night? >> was there an answer by barack obama? he wanted to triple the number of troops years ago. you act indignant. >> i'm indignant only because i came on here -- you asked me about an endorsement of the president. within two seconds, you leapt down my throat about the left. and i'm here to say that, you know, that the piece is discussing a choice between two me...

People in countries indiscriminately where we haven't even declared war. if you talk about gitmo remaining open. listen, we can have a debate over whether we have to be clear-eyed realists and be this ruthless in this new war. fine. and i'm not going to say that you hate the constitution and you want to shred the constitution, and you subvert american values. i'm not just talking you here. >> yeah. >> if you agree with what dick cheney, george w. bush and barack obama have chosen to do since 9/11. i just find the hypocrisy from the left galling. >> you may, but, in fact -- >> i should. >> but ...

On foreign policy, a continuation and a ratcheting down of afghanistan even though it's a tragic situation in every way that you say. syria remains a disaster. the iran nuclear program is still progressing. and that has to come to a resolution. and remains a huge danger. so that's half a dozen things right off the bat. >> you know what's very interesting? that we just had a serious, substantive, civilized discourse about war, about this country at war in iraq and afghanistan for 18 minutes. that's longer than both of these candidates running for president have had similar discussion. >> the en...

Obviously a mistake. i was wrong about it. you said you were wrong about it. >> absolutely. >> like you said, 75% of americans were wrong about it. so as we move forward, so if that has to do with, quote, the shame of the bush years, we then have to look at an example of where barack obama had a decision to make about war. and that's why i asked you -- and i'm not sure what "the new yorker's" position was on that, and i'd like to know, about the choice the president had to make in realtime when faced with some very difficult choices. and the president chose to triple the number of troops in af...

A norman rockwell painting. should i hold it up? >> we understand you heard from the rockwell estate. >> it will be okay. if i can hold it up. it's a famous rockwell painting or a takeoff on a rockwell painting. in the rockwell painting, somebody's girlfriend's names are being etched off by a tattoo artist. here it's one issue after another. who is mitt romney? what does he really want? this is a guy who, in massachusetts, his singular achievement was a terrific health care program, adored by the state of massachusetts. he runs away from it. he's running -- if he was such a great governor of t...