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Just in moscow, alex any navalny as he is about to be sentenced for 15 more years, the russian opposition leader, he uses that moment to speak out against this war, i think that means that millions more share those preferences, they just don't want to express them because they don't want to go to jail. but the other thing you said, joe, is very true, too. it is not a democracy. it is a dictatorship. so the translation of those preferences into any influence over vladimir putin is going to be measured over months and years, not days and weeks. >> ambassador, president biden rolls out some new s...

Aren't really necessarily doing anything that hurts those elites, that hurts the russian elites and their families, frankly. i want to ask ambassador mcfaul, how do you feel about sanctions on putin's cronies and their families that are taking the plunder in the west and going and effectively affecting their lives because sanctions affect ordinary people and cause ordinary people, causing them to starve, what about going after elites and how could we do that? >> i'm all for it. i think it is a moment, it is a time -- by the way, the biden administration even before this horrific war was talkin...

Everybody in the meeting was against the war. journalists letters circulating right now, over 200 well-known journalists signed up to say they're against the war. other religious leaders, civic leaders are speaking out. informally i would say i speak to russians every day, all the time. you know, big businesspeople and just normal friends of mine from before. i think people were in shock. they didn't expect this, right. they didn't expect that putin would go this far. so if everybody -- you know, i don't know of a single person who has come out and said it was a great idea, except for mr. lavr...

Ally with massive virtually resources to possibly reduce sanctions on its oil exports. of all this sounds familiar, it's because it is. the united states and much of the world in fact is relying on a coalition of often wrote petrol states to fuel our need for oil. production for decades. every u.s. president -- has been calling for us to reduce our reliance on foreign energy. back in the early 1970s that then president nixon looked at caps on oil imports ended this because our domestic supply struggle to meet the demand the post-world war ii -- just as he did that, oh pack, which was then the ...

Effectively ended the post-cold war era. a newark tech tour for global relations should be built, and its shape will depend on whether putin's brutal campaign succeeds or fails. you continue, the ukraine assault, pitting a messianic russian autocrat against the wishes of every other major nation, perhaps including china, will determine the shape of a new world order to come. if putin loses his battle to sub you gate ukraine, the new order will have a solid and promising foundation. if putin wins, the new era will be very dangerous indeed. so then would tha -- with that arithmetic laid out, how...