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Coming out of this meeting. you were asking about some of those other lines, sanctions and so on and one of the big focus for the leaders is to tighten the screws on vladimir putin. some of the sanctions and embargoes might have been counter—productive, the price of oil has gone through the roof and that is aiding vladimir putin, financing his war machine. they are keen to stop that and that is why we are seeing discussions around a potential cap on the price of russian oil. it is very detailed and not everybody has signed up to it and we will have to wait and see but they are discussing a p...

>> i believe that putin is attempting to eliminate the identity of ukraine. he can't occupy it, but he can try to destroy its identity. and the reason i bother to mention that is he has to pay, russia has to pay a long-term price for that. >> the audio was not great there, but basically he was saying that he thinks putin is trying to eliminate the identity of ukraine and that's different than a land grab of the donbas or have some sort of land bridge connecting crimea. that's a different mission. >> well, that's right. i think that has been the concern of many russia analysts going back to, if...

Conference, i think we will know probably byjuly weather boris johnson is looking safe, or whether he might be gone. what i detected last week in the house of commons was a huge change of mood when the prime minister got the first £50 fine, there is a feeling that britain's involvement in helping ukraine in a war, this is not the time to change a national leader. but that began to change over the ensuing i2 but that began to change over the ensuing 12 days — and it was people starting to point out that britain is not actually at war itself, it is supporting ukraine, and that support for ukr...

Beginning of the war itself, so a lot less. there's clearly a lot more that the west could be spending in ukraine. we seem to be at a pivotal moment where the russians are pulled back. the assumption is they're pulled back in order to launch another offensive in the east, possibly to try to push further back again into the country. how much can we turn on the spigot fast and how much willingness do you think there is in washington but also in the western alliance, the nato alliance to really ramp up significantly so that the ukrainians can take advantage of the pause? >> sure. and i think that...

Make nato more active in eastern europe. putin's stated goal here is to reduce the influence of the u.s. and nato in eastern europe. by threatening ukraine, other countries in eastern europe, romania, poland, the baltics, they are asking for us to give them more help and we are providing because they have a legitimate fear. so what putin wants it will go in the opposite direction than if he invades ukraine. what we've seen with the ukraine efforts to up their defensive posture and with the efforts to get more weaponry, that the war itself, if putin invades, would be extremely costly. the last ...