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>> absolutely, john. we heard from the chancellor there saying he can't fully understand putin's war logic. he did have what he described as a frank and tough discussion with the russian president. he said he wanted to confront him with the realities on ground. he did of course visit bucha where we saw those atrocities unfold, what has now been described as war crimes. he said he wanted to confront president putin with these realities. but as you heard there from nehammer, russian president vladimir putin believes he is winning this war. he still believes this war is necessary in order to ensu...

This. war nehammer noted that he couldn't fully understand russians war logic. putin was very concerned about his war and his demands, and separately, he reiterated the claim we've heard from the kremlin in russia, that he is carrying out this invasion as a result of what they claim to be genocide in the donbas region. clearly stands in contrast to what we're hearing from western leaders and western intelligence. but of course, over the weekend, we heard from ukrainian president vladimir zelenskyy that he expects an intensification of russia's military campaign, military invasion of the donbas...

Russian president about the atrocities russia was committing on the ground in ukraine. but putin, unswayed. >> i think he is now in his own war logic. you know, he thinks the war is necessary for security guarantees for the russian federation. he doesn't trust the international community. he blames ukrainians to -- for genocides and genocides in the donbas region. i think he believes he is winning the war. >> let's bring in cnn global affairs analyst and "time" magazine contributor kimberly dozier and white house correspondent mj lee. kim, putin thinks he's winning. and in the meantime, he is ...

Jonathan? >> matt bradley coming to us live from kyiv, ukraine. thank you very much for coming to "the sunday show." joining me now, former congresswoman jane harman of california who served on the house armed services, intelligence and homeland security committees. jane is also the author of "insanity defense." and ambassador of the chicago council on global affairs and former united states ambassador too. so, the austrian chancellor was on with russian president vladimir putin earlier in the week. here's what he says in response to chuck todd's question about vladimir putin's thinking ab...

Defiant in the face of russia's push in the east, president volodymyr zelenskyy says he is open to negotiations, but he adds the assault on mariupol makes that less likely. zelenskyy also insisting that he will not give up any territory to end the war. and as the fighting drags on, so do the atrocities. search teams recovering bodies of over 40 innocent civilians killed when russian shelling hit a high-rise apartment building near kyiv. and now, austria's chancellor giving new details about his tense face-to-face meeting with russian president vladimir putin last week and warning about putin's...